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Apr 2, 2019

Everything you need to know about Todd Phillips' grown-up Batman spin-off, Joker…

Todd Phillips helms the forthcoming Joker solo movie, and it looks set to be the grown-up Batman project we’ve been waiting for years to see. Except an adult Batman (almost definitely) won’t be in it, of course.  

Joker will tell the origin story of the Clown Prince of Crime, set in a Gotham City that will resemble the New York City of the 1970s and ’80s, and it will be completely removed from the rest of the DCEU.

Apparently, Warner Bros. plans to “expand the canon of DC properties and create unique storylines with different actors playing the iconic characters.” This vague description makes it sound like the studio is pursuing a big screen version of DC Comics’ “Elseworlds” line, which delivered classics like the Victorian-era Batman vs. Jack the Ripper story Gotham By Gaslight and the communist Superman story, Red Son. This kind of approach would certainly allow the studio to both forge its own identity and carry on with its mission statement of allowing directors with strong cinematic identities to steer these movies. This could be their opportunity to experiment with an R-rating, too…

Here’s everything we know so far about Joker, with more as we get it.

Joker poster

The film’s first poster, complete with the tagline “Put on a happy face”, features a shot of Joaquin Phoenix’s Arthur Fleck looking up to the sky in his Joker make-up. It’s a moody one-sheet that definitely seems to live up to the film’s description as a “gritty character study of a man disregarded by society”.

Joker movie poster, release date, cast, news and more

Joker cast

Joaquin Phoenix will play the Joker, which is encouraging news in itself – as the actor has pretty much managed to avoid all big studio films since Gladiator, sticking to indies and dramas with worthy, weighty scripts. The fact that this role lured him back into the mainstream means it must be pretty special (or pretty well paid…). Phoenix famously turned down the role of Doctor Strange in the MCU before our Benedict Cumberbatch was hired.

Recently, a video was posted on Instagram that claims to feature Phoenix’s Joker laugh. This is utterly and completely unconfirmed, of course, but we still listened to it about 500 times:

You can get your first look at Phoenix as the pre-Joker version of the Joker, Arthur Fleck, right here:

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And this awesomely creepy camera test, posted by Phillips: 

Followed by our first proper shot of Phoenix in costume:

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As is appropriate for a movie that originally had Martin Scorsese on board as one of its producers, Robert De Niro will be in the movie as “a talk show host who is somehow instrumental in the Joker’s origin,” according to THR.

Marc Maron (who has been nothing but brilliant on Glow) is in the movie as “an agent on Robert De Niro’s talk show who plays a part in booking Phoenix’s character, and eventually causes him to go mad and become the Clown Prince of Crime” (via Variety). Maron told NME that “The approach that Todd Phillips has taken is more of an origin story and a character study of a mentally ill person that becomes The Joker. It’s more of an intimate and gritty movie with a very specific scope. It’s going to be really interesting to see how it comes out.”

He also said Phoenix went pretty method for the role, causing him to avoid the actor for the most part on set. “I didn’t really get to talk to him because he was pretty immersed in The Joker. I was just like, ‘I’m not gonna bother that guy’. That was fine. You just gotta respect people’s process.”

Zazie Beetz will play “a single mother who catches the interest of the man who will become the clown prince of crime.” (via THR)

The Wrap reported that Frances Conroy will play the Joker’s mother, Penny. 

There had been plans for Alec Baldwin to play Batman’s father, Thomas Wayne, but for whatever reason, they fell through – and Brett Cullen was announced to take his place in a role that’s rumoured to have a fair few Trump overtones. 

In October, Phillips cast Batman. Or rather he cast Bruce Wayne. More specifically, he cast a little kid (Dante Pereira-Olsen) to play a child version of Bruce, giving us an idea of what kind of comic-book continuity the film is gunning for. At the same time, Douglas Hodge (Robin Hood, Serena) was cast as his butler, Alfred.

Shea Whigham (Boardwalk Empire) and Bill Camp (The Night Of) play a pair of Gotham cops whose investigation may lead to the Joker

Joker plot

The official word on this movie (via THR) is that it’s an “exploration of a man disregarded by society [that] is not only a gritty character study, but also a broader cautionary tale.” 

Todd Phillips (The Hangover, War Dogs) is directing and co-wrote the script with Scott Silver (8 Mile, The Fighter) – marking a big departure for the guy most famous for making lad comedies. 2016’s War Dogs proved that he can handle material with a bit more heft, but it’s still an unusual choice of director to make a film that feels like it needs as much grit as possible.

Speaking to Collider, Phoenix said the script feels very unique, very scary and very safe in Phillips’ hands:

“It is its own world in some ways, and maybe, mostly, it scares the f**king shit out of me or something. It might as well be the thing that scares you the most! I think more than anything, and probably the most important thing, is that Todd seems very passionate about it and very giving, and so that’s exciting. I think, underneath the excitement of these films, and the size of them, there are these incredible characters that are dealing with real-life struggles.”

But what makes things really interesting is that Martin Scorsese originally signed-on to produce, and that the whole conceit is completely removed from the DCEU. In fact, the movie had previously been described as a crime thriller set in an early 1980s Gotham City, with the plan being to evoke Martin Scorsese’s classic neo noir, Taxi Driver (1976), except, you know… with a lot more smiling. But a very different classic Scorsese movie might be one of the touchstones for this movie: The King of Comedy. Scorsese’s producing partner, Emma Tillinger Koskoff, is still on board – running things from Marty’s production wing, Sikelia Productions. alongside Bradley Cooper of all people. Was Cooper originally interested in a part? Could he have been the Joker? 

The Wrap had reported that this version of the Joker is “a failed 1980s comedian who becomes the clown prince of crime after bombing with audiences.” That also sounds an awful lot like what was depicted in The Killing Joke, which details how a struggling comedian falls in with the criminal element… and ultimately falls into a vat of disfiguring chemicals.

The fact that his name is Arthur Fleck seems to throw out the rumours of a link between the film and the Tim Burton Batman too – as the same character in that movie was called Jack Napier.

It’s also been suggested that Joker will kickstart Warner Bros. new DC arm (maybe called “DC Black”) and that it could pave the way for other grown-up comic book adaptations to come that could potentially crossover with each other in a shared universe. With Superman and Batman in disarray at the moment, it doesn’t sound like a bad idea…

Joker release date

Warner Bros. and DC have slated 4 October 2019 as the release date for Joker. The announcement also came with word that the official title for the project is Joker (and not, “The Joker”, as everyone previously thought). 

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